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Oreamnos Amric
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2013.04.02 16:32:00 -
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Best dev blog ever. The only negative I pull from this is the inability for CEO/Directors to add/remove from members' hangers. I think enough people have pointed out why this feature is essential.
Seriously, the people complaining about personal storage have no idea how good a thing this is. Recruitment to wormhole corps is seriously problematic due to there being no possibility of securing your stuff from everyone else unless you anchor a tower per player. Personal storage reduces that headache
To the people whining that it'll be hard to share things with their alts - do what you do now and use a standard CHA.
To the people whining that 40,000 m3 isn't enough for mining - store it in a XLSAA, compress or refine it all.
This is a new module which allows personal storage; it should be both limited in space to force people to keep stuff in the pre-existing arrays as well and uncomplicated so we get the damn thing at all. |
Oreamnos Amric
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2013.04.02 17:14:00 -
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Malcorath Sacerdos wrote:Here my feedback and some questions.
Normal members viewing the structure only see their own items, in the same way as when someone views the contents of a planetary customs office.
ok intresting. but what about publicly avaliable stuff?
Corp directors have the ability to see what members have items in the hangar, but do not have the ability to take or place items from/in the hangars.
Again what about Publicly owned stuff ?
Um, how about you don't put publicly available stuff in a private hanger, genius. |
Oreamnos Amric
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2013.04.02 17:15:00 -
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Pelea Ming wrote:
Seriously, read the initital dev blog... if they were going to make CSAs available to WH residents, then they'd have put in the blog that the sov requirements on those would be going bye bye too!
Because CCP always put all changes in a dev blog? |
Oreamnos Amric
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2013.04.02 17:20:00 -
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Pelea Ming wrote:another side note, but relevant to all of this....
no where has it said that the CEO won't be able to have normal full access to everything in his POS.
I'm afraid CCP Fozzie did
CCP Fozzie wrote:
Letting directors and/or CEOs access the member's sections of the PHA is not going to be within our scope for the first iteration due to technical limitations
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Oreamnos Amric
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2013.04.02 17:26:00 -
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Pelea Ming wrote:
missed that, ty, and then I pretty heavily disagree with it... can understand waiting on directors having access, but the CEO?
It appears to be a technical limitation rather than an actual design feature. I can live with it as long as it's iterated on as soon as possible. |
Oreamnos Amric
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2013.04.02 17:48:00 -
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Two step wrote:
You should do what I threatened to do in Nova, force all Orca owners to fight it out at the sun, the last 5 Orcas left alive get to stay
Please tell me this was fighting it out in the Orcas??? |
Oreamnos Amric
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:13:00 -
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Torrelus Toh'Kon wrote:
Quick thoughts on the issue of individual hanger space limits. Would the idea be to have a maximum total capacity on the array? I would assume so
For the love of all things shiny, we've been told the storage space will be infinite. This has been reiterated by lots of people. Infinite space is infinite so there is no maximum. |
Oreamnos Amric
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:24:00 -
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ExookiZ wrote: This will create more problems than it does solves. I suspect I stand with almost every large WH corp in saying that this needs to be looked at.
Please elaborate on the problems this creates for you that is so terrible you don't want them in your hole. |
Oreamnos Amric
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:32:00 -
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Not having CEO and Directors able to empty member hangers will mean increased timescales for moving POSs - i.e. a notice period to move your stuff or it will be lost for good. Without making the member hangers in pCHAs accessible to CEOs and Directors there will be plenty of times where a POS move results in destruction of player property. Even with a notice time period there will be people who didn't or couldn't log in.
I don't have a massive issue with the destruction of stuff, just having to wait a week or two because some mechanic is dumb. |
Oreamnos Amric
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:40:00 -
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Kennesaw Breach wrote:Oreamnos Amric wrote:Not having CEO and Directors able to empty member hangers will mean increased timescales for moving POSs - i.e. a notice period to move your stuff or it will be lost for good. Without making the member hangers in pCHAs accessible to CEOs and Directors there will be plenty of times where a POS move results in destruction of player property. Even with a notice time period there will be people who didn't or couldn't log in.
I don't have a massive issue with the destruction of stuff, just having to wait a week or two because some mechanic is dumb. I'm more concerned about persons taking other people's stuff or corporate stuff from CHAs, labs, arrays, etc, and deliberately placing it in their personal hangar as a denial-of-resource action. If directors, or at least the CEO, can access personal hangars, I'm happy about it. If it stays inaccessible to anyone other than the character who put it there, I'm not a fan, and would argue that they're more of a liability than a help.
I'd not considered that. I am clearly not as devious as you. That does cast an ugly angle on these pCHAs. Bugger.... |
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Oreamnos Amric
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2013.04.02 18:57:00 -
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ROSSLINDEN0 wrote:"Corp directors have the ability to see what members have items in the hangar, but do not have the ability to take or place items from/in the hangars."
What about ceo's? i find myself having to take down someones pos and storing their assets in a secure hanger elsewhere if they have to go afk from game for some reason so this would kind of **** that up and id have to blow the hangers up each time.
Been answered to death. Go hunting backwards. |
Oreamnos Amric
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2013.04.02 19:13:00 -
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Tshaowdyne Dvorak wrote:Kennesaw Breach wrote:Making a POS module where a trolling thief can put other people's stuff (taken from CHA, lab, assembly array, whatever) and deny them access to it, and a CEO/director can't touch it either, would be a new vulnerability. As opposed to just putting it in a carrier/Orca/freighter/hauler and logging off? This is no new threat to anyone. You could fly the stuff out to a customs office and dump it in there now if you wanted. With the new PHA, the CEO and Directors will be able to see what you have in it, so they can sanction you accordingly for thefts. If you want to profit from your spoils, you'll still have to drag it out of the wormhole in something that anyone in the corp can blow up.
Fair point but not everyone has an Orca alt or would be willing to commit an Orca to a wormhole they intend to rob. What Kennesaw is laying out is a way anyone could easily instigate asset deprivation. |
Oreamnos Amric
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2013.04.02 19:30:00 -
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Tshaowdyne Dvorak wrote:
Again: move the crap to a customs office. They're just general storage floating in space that you can put anything you like into.
I'm not 100% on this, but I'm fairly certain POCOs will only hold PI materials. |
Oreamnos Amric
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2013.04.02 21:03:00 -
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Altrue wrote:I'm sorry but what type of people are your targeting EXACTLY with your new instancied CHA feature ?
Wormholes ? Who would use this if in case of an emergency EVAC, if directors can't move your stuff out while you're at work ?
Known space ? They have stations, working just fine, but without m3 limitations.
You're loosing a lot of precious dev time to create an useless module, far BELOW our expectations about a POS rewamp. GG CCP.
This module is exactly what everyone who lives in a POS with any number of other people has been screaming at CCP to give us (i.e. wormholes). I will happily swallow the potential to lose some stuff during an emergency evac when balanced against increased security for things I want to keep secure. If I'm about to lose a POS who actually cares about the crap in it? We'll be too busy throwing ships at the invaders anyway. |
Oreamnos Amric
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2013.04.02 21:21:00 -
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Ryunosuke Kusanagi wrote:I would guess that this also applies to starbase defenses as well?
Hope not. Don't you want to take pot shots at people reloading their guns? |
Oreamnos Amric
Z3R0 Return Mining Inc.
Illusion of Solitude
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Posted - 2013.04.03 20:18:00 -
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Tonto Auri wrote:Oreamnos Amric wrote:This module is exactly what everyone who lives in a POS with any number of other people has been screaming at CCP to give us (i.e. wormholes). I will happily swallow the potential to lose some stuff during an emergency evac when balanced against increased security for things I want to keep secure. If I'm about to lose a POS who actually cares about the crap in it? We'll be too busy throwing ships at the invaders anyway. That's just a bunch of crap in spite of a moment. You didn't though your idea through even for a second.
Aw cute, it's trying to speak. |
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